Difference between proton-cachyos and proton-cachyos-native

Why is there now three packages for Proton CachyOS? proton-cachyos and proton-cachyos-native seems to be roughly the same packages as well with slight differences.

I tried to understand the Wiki page, which says

We suggest using the proton-cachyos-slr package over the proton-cachyos-native one.

because my pacman wants to

Replace proton-cachyos with cachyos/proton-cachyos-native?
Replace proton-cachyos with cachyos/proton-cachyos-slr?

resulting in a whopping +1.5GB for the current update:

proton-cachyos                                   1:11.0.20260601-1                     -1518.67 MiB               
cachyos/proton-cachyos-native                                       1:11.0.20260602-3   1513.83 MiB     308.10 MiB
cachyos/proton-cachyos-slr                                          1:11.0.20260602-3   1587.18 MiB     335.59 MiB
...
Total Download Size:    820.46 MiB
Total Installed Size:  3602.38 MiB
Net Upgrade Size:      1584.18 MiB

Am I correct in thinking that I could safely uninstall proton-cachyos-native after that? With it being preferred over *-native in the Wiki ?

tbh, from my POV, it would be better to stick to 1 variant only (for saving space), like me for example mainly play steam games, i just use -slr ones, even i used the -slr ones in lutris sometimes, have no issue as well

i think -native would be like -slr (minus not using steam runtime perhaps ? and instead using system wide, tbh idk)

If I recall, some anti-cheat has issues with native and SLR is better behaved there. Between the two I can’t think of a reason to favor native at any point though I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some obscure case out there.

The only time you’d want different versions are for some games not liking 11, but that is a different matter entirely.

I dont get why installing both?

pacman -Qi proton-cachyos-native proton-cachyos-slr

My thoughts exactly, because

pacman -Qi proton-cachyos-native proton-cachyos-slr        
error: package 'proton-cachyos-native' was not found
error: package 'proton-cachyos-slr' was not found

The current -Syu wants to replace proton-cachyos twice: once with proton-cachyos-slr and then also with proton-cachyos-native, which is exactly my confusion.

PS: I guess the Wiki-page on Gaming would need to be updated accordingly, too, when there actually is no more proton-cachyos.

Well of course that command was intended for after the transaction that I assumed was completed.

They Provides the same thing .. maybe we would be interested in the full output?

Or give us the output of the original suggestion after the upgrade.

Sure:

sudo pacman -Syu                                      
[sudo] password for root: 
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 cachyos-znver4 is up to date
 cachyos-core-znver4 is up to date
 cachyos-extra-znver4                       4.3 MiB  3.83 MiB/s 00:01 [---------------------------------------] 100%
 cachyos is up to date
 core                                     126.6 KiB   152 KiB/s 00:01 [---------------------------------------] 100%
 extra                                      8.3 MiB  2019 KiB/s 00:04 [---------------------------------------] 100%
 multilib                                 127.8 KiB   143 KiB/s 00:01 [---------------------------------------] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade...
:: Replace proton-cachyos with cachyos/proton-cachyos-native? [Y/n] y
:: Replace proton-cachyos with cachyos/proton-cachyos-slr? [Y/n] y
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Package (75)                                     Old Version        New Version        Net Change    Download Size

cachyos-extra-znver4/aurorae                     6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.16 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/bluedevil                   1:6.7.0-1.1        1:6.7.1-1.1            0.00 MiB       0.67 MiB
extra/bpf                                        7.0.12-1           7.1.1-1                0.03 MiB       1.93 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/breeze                      6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB      40.13 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/breeze-cursors              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.24 MiB
extra/breeze-gtk                                 6.7.0-1            6.7.1-1                0.00 MiB       0.19 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/cabextract                  1.11-2.1           1.11-3.1               0.01 MiB       0.05 MiB
cachyos/cachyos-kernel-manager                   1.18.1-1           1.19.0-1               0.02 MiB       0.41 MiB
extra/cpupower                                   7.0.12-1           7.1.1-1                0.00 MiB       0.21 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/haveged                     1.9.24-1.1         1.9.25-1.1             0.00 MiB       0.05 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/imagemagick                 7.1.2.25-1.1       7.1.2.26-1.1           0.01 MiB       9.54 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kactivitymanagerd           6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.21 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kde-cli-tools               6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.90 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kde-gtk-config              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.09 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kdecoration                 6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.10 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kdeplasma-addons            6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.01 MiB       3.19 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kglobalacceld               6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.14 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kinfocenter                 6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.94 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kmenuedit                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.03 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/knighttime                  6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.07 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kpipewire                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.20 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kscreen                     6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.87 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kscreenlocker               6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.27 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/ksystemstats                6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.30 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kwallet-pam                 6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.01 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kwayland                    6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.25 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kwin                        6.7.0-3.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.08 MiB      10.90 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/layer-shell-qt              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.04 MiB
multilib/lib32-libnsl                                               2.0.1-2                0.03 MiB       0.01 MiB
multilib/lib32-libtirpc                                             1.3.7-1                0.18 MiB       0.07 MiB
multilib/lib32-speexdsp                                             1.2.1-2                0.07 MiB       0.04 MiB
multilib/lib32-systemd                           260.2-1            261-1                  0.20 MiB       0.93 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/libkscreen                  6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.37 MiB
extra/libksysguard                               6.7.0-1            6.7.1-1                0.00 MiB       0.69 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/libldac                     2.0.2.3-3.1        2.0.2.5-1.1           -0.01 MiB       0.04 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/libplasma                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       2.55 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/milou                       6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.10 MiB
extra/ocean-sound-theme                          6.7.0-1            6.7.1-1                0.00 MiB       1.93 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/openexr                     3.4.13-1.1         3.4.13-2.1             0.00 MiB       1.29 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/openjph                     0.30.0-1.1         0.30.1-1.1             0.00 MiB       0.27 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/perl-dbi                    1.648-1.1          1.649-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.93 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-activities           6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.13 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-activities-stats     6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.10 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-browser-integration  6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.19 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-desktop              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.01 MiB      18.31 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-firewall             6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.51 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-integration          6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.14 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-nm                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.01 MiB       2.08 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-pa                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.50 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-systemmonitor        6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.54 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-thunderbolt          6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.14 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-workspace            6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.01 MiB      21.39 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma5support              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.23 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plymouth-kcm                6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.08 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/polkit-kde-agent            6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.07 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/powerdevil                  6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.62 MiB
proton-cachyos                                   1:11.0.20260601-1                     -1518.67 MiB               
cachyos/proton-cachyos-native                                       1:11.0.20260602-3   1513.83 MiB     308.10 MiB
cachyos/proton-cachyos-slr                                          1:11.0.20260602-3   1587.18 MiB     335.59 MiB
cachyos-znver4/python                            3.14.5-4           3.14.6-2               0.05 MiB      13.91 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/python-numpy                2.4.6-1.1          2.5.0-1.1              1.13 MiB       7.90 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/qqc2-breeze-style           6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.45 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/sddm-kcm                    6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.16 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/spectacle                   1:6.7.0-1.1        1:6.7.1-1.1            0.00 MiB       2.11 MiB
multilib/steam                                   1.0.0.85-7         1.0.0.86-1             0.08 MiB      19.43 MiB
multilib/steam-devices                           1.0.0.85-7         1.0.0.86-1             0.00 MiB       0.01 MiB
core/systemd                                     260.2-2            261-1                  2.02 MiB      10.37 MiB
core/systemd-libs                                260.2-2            261-1                  0.22 MiB       1.40 MiB
core/systemd-resolvconf                          260.2-2            261-1                  0.00 MiB       0.00 MiB
core/systemd-sysvcompat                          260.2-2            261-1                  0.00 MiB       0.01 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/systemsettings              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.37 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/xdg-desktop-portal-kde      6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.68 MiB
extra/xkeyboard-config                           2.47-1             2.48-1                 0.01 MiB       0.87 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/xvidcore                    1.3.7-3.1          1.3.7-4.1              0.06 MiB       0.29 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/zbar                        0.23.93-5.1        0.23.93-6.1            0.02 MiB       0.30 MiB

Total Download Size:    833.26 MiB
Total Installed Size:  3648.66 MiB
Net Upgrade Size:      1586.62 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] n

PS: I have to work now, so I can’t answer for the next ~9-10 hours…

Hm.

Maybe instead do

sudo pacman -Syu proton-cachyos-slr

Otherwise just accept and show us the Qis. :person_shrugging:

Yeah the page says “In the CachyOS repositories you can find two different flavors” bla bla. Ths has three. Not sure of the dfference here. proton-cachyos proton-cachyos-natve and proton-cachyos-slr are all separate pac ages.

So, that basically did the same (+1.5GB with -native and -slr being installed:

Full output of sudo pacman -Syu proton-cachyos-slr
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 cachyos-znver4 is up to date
 cachyos-core-znver4 is up to date
 cachyos-extra-znver4                       4.3 MiB  1405 KiB/s 00:03 [---------------------------------------] 100%
 cachyos                                  511.3 KiB   926 KiB/s 00:01 [---------------------------------------] 100%
 core                                     126.6 KiB   174 KiB/s 00:01 [---------------------------------------] 100%
 extra                                      8.3 MiB  1585 KiB/s 00:05 [---------------------------------------] 100%
 multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
:: Replace proton-cachyos with cachyos/proton-cachyos-native? [Y/n] y
:: Replace proton-cachyos with cachyos/proton-cachyos-slr? [Y/n] y
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Package (84)                                     Old Version        New Version        Net Change    Download Size

cachyos-extra-znver4/aurorae                     6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.16 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/bluedevil                   1:6.7.0-1.1        1:6.7.1-1.1            0.00 MiB       0.67 MiB
extra/bpf                                        7.0.12-1           7.1.1-1                0.03 MiB       1.93 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/breeze                      6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB      40.13 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/breeze-cursors              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.24 MiB
extra/breeze-gtk                                 6.7.0-1            6.7.1-1                0.00 MiB       0.19 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/cabextract                  1.11-2.1           1.11-3.1               0.01 MiB       0.05 MiB
cachyos/cachyos-kernel-manager                   1.18.1-1           1.19.0-1               0.02 MiB       0.41 MiB
extra/cpupower                                   7.0.12-1           7.1.1-1                0.00 MiB       0.21 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/firefox                     152.0.1-1.1        152.0.2-1.1            0.04 MiB      83.77 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/haveged                     1.9.24-1.1         1.9.25-1.1             0.00 MiB       0.05 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/imagemagick                 7.1.2.25-1.1       7.1.2.26-1.1           0.01 MiB       9.54 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kactivitymanagerd           6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.21 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kde-cli-tools               6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.90 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kde-gtk-config              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.09 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kdecoration                 6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.10 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kdeplasma-addons            6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.01 MiB       3.19 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kglobalacceld               6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.14 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kinfocenter                 6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.94 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kmenuedit                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.03 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/knighttime                  6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.07 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kpipewire                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.20 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kscreen                     6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.87 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kscreenlocker               6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.27 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/ksystemstats                6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.30 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kwallet-pam                 6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.01 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kwayland                    6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.25 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/kwin                        6.7.0-3.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.08 MiB      10.90 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/layer-shell-qt              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.04 MiB
multilib/lib32-libnsl                                               2.0.1-2                0.03 MiB       0.01 MiB
multilib/lib32-libtirpc                                             1.3.7-1                0.18 MiB       0.07 MiB
multilib/lib32-speexdsp                                             1.2.1-2                0.07 MiB       0.04 MiB
multilib/lib32-systemd                           260.2-1            261-1                  0.20 MiB       0.93 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/libass                      0.17.4-2.1         0.17.5-1.1            -0.01 MiB       0.15 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/libkscreen                  6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.37 MiB
extra/libksysguard                               6.7.0-1            6.7.1-1                0.00 MiB       0.69 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/libldac                     2.0.2.3-3.1        2.0.2.5-1.1           -0.01 MiB       0.04 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/libplasma                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       2.55 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/milou                       6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.10 MiB
cachyos/mkinitcpio                               41-2               41-5                   0.00 MiB       0.07 MiB
extra/ocean-sound-theme                          6.7.0-1            6.7.1-1                0.00 MiB       1.93 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/opencv                      4.13.0-10.1        4.13.0-11.1            0.00 MiB      30.71 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/openexr                     3.4.13-1.1         3.4.13-2.1             0.00 MiB       1.29 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/openjph                     0.30.0-1.1         0.30.1-1.1             0.00 MiB       0.27 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/perl-dbi                    1.648-1.1          1.649-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.93 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-activities           6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.13 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-activities-stats     6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.10 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-browser-integration  6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.19 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-desktop              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.01 MiB      18.31 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-firewall             6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.51 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-integration          6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.14 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-nm                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.01 MiB       2.08 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-pa                   6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.50 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-systemmonitor        6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.54 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-thunderbolt          6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.14 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma-workspace            6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.01 MiB      21.39 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plasma5support              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.23 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/plymouth-kcm                6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.08 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/polkit-kde-agent            6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.07 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/powerdevil                  6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       1.62 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/protobuf                    35.0-2.1           35.1-1.1               0.00 MiB       4.37 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/protobuf-c                  1.5.2-11.1         1.5.2-12.1             0.00 MiB       0.15 MiB
proton-cachyos                                   1:11.0.20260601-1                     -1518.67 MiB               
cachyos/proton-cachyos-native                                       1:11.0.20260602-3   1513.83 MiB     308.10 MiB
cachyos-znver4/python                            3.14.5-4           3.14.6-2               0.05 MiB      13.91 MiB
extra/python-grpcio                              1.81.0-1           1.81.1-1               0.00 MiB       3.65 MiB
extra/python-grpcio-tools                        1.81.0-1           1.81.1-1               0.00 MiB       0.15 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/python-numpy                2.4.6-1.1          2.5.0-1.1              1.13 MiB       7.90 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/python-protobuf             35.0-2.1           35.1-1.1               0.00 MiB       0.47 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/qqc2-breeze-style           6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.45 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/sddm-kcm                    6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.16 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/spectacle                   1:6.7.0-1.1        1:6.7.1-1.1            0.00 MiB       2.11 MiB
multilib/steam                                   1.0.0.85-7         1.0.0.86-1             0.08 MiB      19.43 MiB
multilib/steam-devices                           1.0.0.85-7         1.0.0.86-1             0.00 MiB       0.01 MiB
core/systemd                                     260.2-2            261-1                  2.02 MiB      10.37 MiB
core/systemd-libs                                260.2-2            261-1                  0.22 MiB       1.40 MiB
core/systemd-resolvconf                          260.2-2            261-1                  0.00 MiB       0.00 MiB
core/systemd-sysvcompat                          260.2-2            261-1                  0.00 MiB       0.01 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/systemsettings              6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.37 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/xdg-desktop-portal-kde      6.7.0-1.1          6.7.1-1.1              0.00 MiB       0.68 MiB
extra/xkeyboard-config                           2.47-1             2.48-1                 0.01 MiB       0.87 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/xvidcore                    1.3.7-3.1          1.3.7-4.1              0.06 MiB       0.29 MiB
cachyos-extra-znver4/zbar                        0.23.93-5.1        0.23.93-6.1            0.02 MiB       0.30 MiB
cachyos/proton-cachyos-slr                                          1:11.0.20260602-3   1587.18 MiB     335.59 MiB

Total Download Size:    956.76 MiB
Total Installed Size:  4084.31 MiB
Net Upgrade Size:      1586.65 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] Y

resulting in this:

pacman -Qi proton-cachyos proton-cachyos-slr proton-cachyos-native
Installed From  : None
Name            : proton-cachyos-native
Version         : 1:11.0.20260602-3
Description     : A compatibility tool for Steam Play based on Wine and additional components, experimental branch
                  with extra CachyOS flavour (native build)
Architecture    : x86_64
URL             : https://github.com/CachyOS/proton-cachyos
Licenses        : custom
Groups          : None
Provides        : proton-cachyos  proton
Depends On      : attr  lib32-attr  cabextract  desktop-file-utils  fontconfig  lib32-fontconfig  flac  lib32-flac
                  freetype2  lib32-freetype2  libgcc  lib32-gcc-libs  gettext  lib32-gettext  glib2  lib32-glib2
                  glibc  lib32-glibc  libgudev  lib32-libgudev  libnsl  lib32-libnsl  libpcap  lib32-libpcap
                  libunwind  lib32-libunwind  libvpx  lib32-libvpx  libwebp  lib32-libwebp  libx11  lib32-libx11
                  libxcursor  lib32-libxcursor  libxext  lib32-libxext  libxkbcommon  lib32-libxkbcommon  libxml2
                  lib32-libxml2  libxi  lib32-libxi  libxrandr  lib32-libxrandr  pipewire  lib32-pipewire  python
                  python-six  speex  lib32-speex  speexdsp  lib32-speexdsp  atk  lib32-atk  cairo  lib32-cairo
                  curl  lib32-curl  dbus-glib  lib32-dbus-glib  freeglut  lib32-freeglut  gdk-pixbuf2
                  lib32-gdk-pixbuf2  glu  lib32-glu  lcms2  lib32-lcms2  libcaca  lib32-libcaca  libcanberra
                  lib32-libcanberra  dbus  lib32-dbus  libdrm  lib32-libdrm  libice  lib32-libice  libibus  libnm
                  lib32-libnm  libusb  lib32-libusb  libvdpau  lib32-libvdpau  libvorbis  lib32-libvorbis  libxft
                  lib32-libxft  libxmu  lib32-libxmu  libxrender  lib32-libxrender  libxtst  lib32-libxtst  nspr
                  lib32-nspr  openal  lib32-openal  pango  lib32-pango  sdl2  lib32-sdl2  sdl2_image
                  lib32-sdl2_image  sdl2_mixer  lib32-sdl2_mixer  sdl2_ttf  lib32-sdl2_ttf  pipewire
                  lib32-pipewire  librsvg  libsm  lib32-libsm  libtheora  lib32-libtheora  vulkan-driver
                  lib32-vulkan-driver  unzip  wayland  lib32-wayland  xz  lib32-xz
Optional Deps   : alsa-lib [installed]
                  lib32-alsa-lib [installed]
                  alsa-plugins [installed]
                  lib32-alsa-plugins [installed]
                  ffmpeg [installed]
                  gnutls [installed]
                  lib32-gnutls [installed]
                  gtk3 [installed]
                  lib32-gtk3
                  libgphoto2 [installed]
                  libpulse [installed]
                  lib32-libpulse [installed]
                  libva [installed]
                  lib32-libva [installed]
                  libxcomposite [installed]
                  lib32-libxcomposite
                  libxinerama [installed]
                  lib32-libxinerama [installed]
                  opencl-icd-loader [installed]
                  lib32-opencl-icd-loader
                  pcsclite [installed]
                  lib32-pcsclite
                  samba
                  steam [installed]
                  umu-launcher
                  unixodbc
                  v4l-utils [installed]
                  lib32-v4l-utils
                  vulkan-icd-loader [installed]
                  lib32-vulkan-icd-loader [installed]
                  NTSYNC-MODULE [installed]
Required By     : None
Optional For    : None
Conflicts With  : None
Replaces        : proton-cachyos
Installed Size  : 1513.83 MiB
Packager        : CachyOS <admin@cachyos.org>
Build Date      : Tue 23 Jun 2026 09:36:17 AM CEST
Install Date    : Wed 24 Jun 2026 09:28:37 PM CEST
Install Reason  : Explicitly installed
Install Script  : Yes
Validated By    : Signature

Installed From  : cachyos
Name            : proton-cachyos-slr
Version         : 1:11.0.20260602-3
Description     : A compatibility tool for Steam Play based on Wine and additional components, experimental branch
                  with extra CachyOS flavour (Steam Linux Runtime build)
Architecture    : x86_64
URL             : https://github.com/CachyOS/proton-cachyos
Licenses        : BSD  LGPL  zlib  MIT  MPL  custom
Groups          : None
Provides        : proton-cachyos  proton
Depends On      : bash  coreutils  curl  dbus  desktop-file-utils  diffutils  freetype2  gdk-pixbuf2  glibc
                  hicolor-icon-theme  libgcc  libxcrypt  libxcrypt-compat  libxkbcommon-x11  lsb-release  lsof  nss
                  python  ttf-font  usbutils  vulkan-driver  vulkan-icd-loader  xdg-user-dirs  xorg-xrandr  xz
                  lib32-alsa-plugins  lib32-fontconfig  lib32-gcc-libs  lib32-glibc  lib32-libgl
                  lib32-libgpg-error  lib32-libnm  lib32-libva  lib32-libx11  lib32-libxcrypt
                  lib32-libxcrypt-compat  lib32-libxinerama  lib32-libxss  lib32-nss  lib32-pipewire  lib32-systemd
                  lib32-vulkan-driver  lib32-vulkan-icd-loader
Optional Deps   : steam [installed]
                  umu-launcher
                  NTSYNC-MODULE [installed]
Required By     : None
Optional For    : None
Conflicts With  : None
Replaces        : proton-cachyos
Installed Size  : 1587.18 MiB
Packager        : CachyOS <admin@cachyos.org>
Build Date      : Tue 23 Jun 2026 09:32:49 AM CEST
Install Date    : Wed 24 Jun 2026 09:28:30 PM CEST
Install Reason  : Explicitly installed
Install Script  : Yes
Validated By    : Signature

Installed From  : None
Name            : proton-cachyos-native
Version         : 1:11.0.20260602-3
Description     : A compatibility tool for Steam Play based on Wine and additional components, experimental branch
                  with extra CachyOS flavour (native build)
Architecture    : x86_64
URL             : https://github.com/CachyOS/proton-cachyos
Licenses        : custom
Groups          : None
Provides        : proton-cachyos  proton
Depends On      : attr  lib32-attr  cabextract  desktop-file-utils  fontconfig  lib32-fontconfig  flac  lib32-flac
                  freetype2  lib32-freetype2  libgcc  lib32-gcc-libs  gettext  lib32-gettext  glib2  lib32-glib2
                  glibc  lib32-glibc  libgudev  lib32-libgudev  libnsl  lib32-libnsl  libpcap  lib32-libpcap
                  libunwind  lib32-libunwind  libvpx  lib32-libvpx  libwebp  lib32-libwebp  libx11  lib32-libx11
                  libxcursor  lib32-libxcursor  libxext  lib32-libxext  libxkbcommon  lib32-libxkbcommon  libxml2
                  lib32-libxml2  libxi  lib32-libxi  libxrandr  lib32-libxrandr  pipewire  lib32-pipewire  python
                  python-six  speex  lib32-speex  speexdsp  lib32-speexdsp  atk  lib32-atk  cairo  lib32-cairo
                  curl  lib32-curl  dbus-glib  lib32-dbus-glib  freeglut  lib32-freeglut  gdk-pixbuf2
                  lib32-gdk-pixbuf2  glu  lib32-glu  lcms2  lib32-lcms2  libcaca  lib32-libcaca  libcanberra
                  lib32-libcanberra  dbus  lib32-dbus  libdrm  lib32-libdrm  libice  lib32-libice  libibus  libnm
                  lib32-libnm  libusb  lib32-libusb  libvdpau  lib32-libvdpau  libvorbis  lib32-libvorbis  libxft
                  lib32-libxft  libxmu  lib32-libxmu  libxrender  lib32-libxrender  libxtst  lib32-libxtst  nspr
                  lib32-nspr  openal  lib32-openal  pango  lib32-pango  sdl2  lib32-sdl2  sdl2_image
                  lib32-sdl2_image  sdl2_mixer  lib32-sdl2_mixer  sdl2_ttf  lib32-sdl2_ttf  pipewire
                  lib32-pipewire  librsvg  libsm  lib32-libsm  libtheora  lib32-libtheora  vulkan-driver
                  lib32-vulkan-driver  unzip  wayland  lib32-wayland  xz  lib32-xz
Optional Deps   : alsa-lib [installed]
                  lib32-alsa-lib [installed]
                  alsa-plugins [installed]
                  lib32-alsa-plugins [installed]
                  ffmpeg [installed]
                  gnutls [installed]
                  lib32-gnutls [installed]
                  gtk3 [installed]
                  lib32-gtk3
                  libgphoto2 [installed]
                  libpulse [installed]
                  lib32-libpulse [installed]
                  libva [installed]
                  lib32-libva [installed]
                  libxcomposite [installed]
                  lib32-libxcomposite
                  libxinerama [installed]
                  lib32-libxinerama [installed]
                  opencl-icd-loader [installed]
                  lib32-opencl-icd-loader
                  pcsclite [installed]
                  lib32-pcsclite
                  samba
                  steam [installed]
                  umu-launcher
                  unixodbc
                  v4l-utils [installed]
                  lib32-v4l-utils
                  vulkan-icd-loader [installed]
                  lib32-vulkan-icd-loader [installed]
                  NTSYNC-MODULE [installed]
Required By     : None
Optional For    : None
Conflicts With  : None
Replaces        : proton-cachyos
Installed Size  : 1513.83 MiB
Packager        : CachyOS <admin@cachyos.org>
Build Date      : Tue 23 Jun 2026 09:36:17 AM CEST
Install Date    : Wed 24 Jun 2026 09:28:37 PM CEST
Install Reason  : Explicitly installed
Install Script  : Yes
Validated By    : Signature

So I guess I’ll grudgingly do pacman -Rns proton-cachyos-native, but I find that behavior a bit odd, tbh. Why recommend *-slr on the Wiki, but install both when replacing proton-cachyos? For completeness’ sake? I’d rather save those MB :slight_smile:

For the most part the devs may compose a PKGBUILD a certain way so that a resulting package has certain qualities or dependencies but not something like it sounds you are describing.

I am pretty sure no one anywhere decided “let them have multiple protons on purpose, while leaving at least one of them an orphan - this is surely the correct thing to deliver”.

Instead I think it just has to do with how the dependencies are being met.

Though I could not tell you exactly why both (seem to) need to replace it.

It may have something to do with the double “Provides” - with one technically providing “proton-cachyos” and the other “proton” .. until the exchange is finalized and with the totality of things finally recognizing that deps are met with just one. Which still seems like a bug of some kind.

Probably not, but

still seems like a bug of some kind.

It sure does. I did pacman -Rns proton-cachyos-native and it wanted to uninstall all of these, too:

 llvm21-libs (21.1.8-1.1)
 libibus (1.5.34-1.1)
 lib32-speex (1.2.1-2)
 lib32-sdl2_ttf (2.24.0-2)
 lib32-sdl2_mixer (2.8.2-1)
 sdl2_mixer (2.8.2-1.1)
 libxmp (4.7.0-1.1)
 lib32-mpg123 (1.33.5-1)
 lib32-libmodplug (0.8.9.0-5)
 lib32-sdl2_image (2.8.12-1)
 sdl2_image (2.8.12-1.1)
 lib32-sdl2-compat (2.32.70-1)
 lib32-sdl3 (3.4.10-1)
 lib32-libxcursor (1.2.3-1)
 lib32-libusb (1.0.30-1)
 lib32-pango (1:1.57.1-1)
 lib32-libxft (2.3.9-1)
 lib32-libthai (0.1.29-3)
 lib32-libdatrie (0.2.13-3)
 lib32-harfbuzz (14.2.1-1)
 lib32-fribidi (1.0.16-2)
 lib32-cairo (1.18.4-1)
 lib32-pixman (0.46.4-1)
 lib32-openal (1.25.2-1)
 lib32-lzo (2.10-2)
 lib32-libxmu (1.3.1-1)
 lib32-libxt (1.3.1-1)
 lib32-libsm (1.2.6-1)
 lib32-libice (1.1.1-2)
 lib32-libxkbcommon (1.13.2-1)
 lib32-libvpx (1.16.0-2)
 lib32-libvdpau (1.5-3)
 lib32-libunwind (1.8.2-1)
 lib32-libtheora (1.2.0-1)
 lib32-libpcap (1.10.6-1)
 lib32-libnl (3.12.0-1)
 lib32-libnsl (2.0.1-2)
 lib32-libtirpc (1.3.7-1)
 lib32-libgudev (238-3)
 lib32-libcanberra (1:0.30+r2+gc0620e4-4)
 lib32-tdb (1.4.13-1)
 lib32-libpulse (17.0+r98+gb096704c0-1)
 lib32-libsndfile (1.2.2-3)
 lib32-opus (1.6.1-1)
 lib32-flac (1.5.0-1)
 lib32-libvorbis (1.3.7-4)
 lib32-libogg (1.3.6-1)
 lib32-libasyncns (1:0.8+r3+g68cd5af-3)
 lib32-libltdl (2.6.1-1)
 lib32-libcaca (0.99.beta20-2)
 libcaca (0.99.beta20-7.1)
 lib32-imlib2 (1.12.6-1)
 lib32-giflib (6.1.3-1)
 imlib2 (1.12.6-1.1)
 lib32-lcms2 (2.17-1)
 lib32-gettext (1.0-1)
 lib32-acl (2.3.2-2)
 lib32-gdk-pixbuf2 (2.44.6-2)
 lib32-libtiff (4.7.1-1)
 lib32-libjpeg-turbo (3.1.4.1-1)
 lib32-freeglut (3.8.0-1.1)
 lib32-libxrandr (1.5.5-1)
 lib32-libxrender (0.9.11-2)
 lib32-glu (9.0.3-2)
 lib32-dbus-glib (0.114-1)
 lib32-attr (2.5.2-2)
 lib32-at-spi2-core (2.60.4-1)
 lib32-libxtst (1.2.5-2)
 lib32-libxi (1.8.3-1)

I got scared, backed out and did pacman -R proton-cachyos-native instead, which left me with all of these packages as orphans.

So I uninstalled them and all looks fine now, but I really think this is a weird behavior on Cachy’s part.

I mean if we simplify it back its just the one double-package thing, which ..

Now that I look at it again … this does appear like you could have responded n to one of these?

Could’ve, should’ve. Never forget: I am still a total newbie, hoping that Cachy cares for me :smile: I realize that I should probably have said NO to the first and YES to the second, but as there was no announcement on that, I felt kinda lost… and I bet I’m not alone in this :wink:

According to

proton-cachyos does not exist anymore and has been replaced by -native. They pretty much renamed it

Additionally, proton-cachyos has been renamed to proton-cachyos-native.