Plans for dropping X11 for Wayland+XWayland?

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Hold your horsies, cowboy!

  • No discussions!
  • No opinions!
  • No “Works for me” / “Does not work for me”!
  • No “But my workflow”!
  • No “Finally, good riddance!”

If you suddenly feel the urge – leave now!

This is just a question to the distirbution maintainers / planners:

Is there an ETA or a distant plan:

  • to deprecate X11/Xorg desktops (KDE/X11, Openbox, XFCE, …)
  • for Wayland Desktops (KDE/Wayland, labwc, Sway, …)
  • probably with the XWayland compatibility layer for X11-only-applications?
  • some desktops support building without X11-support, would it be disabled?

Feasability / How depending is CachyOS on Arch?

  • technical: Could CachyOS decide this at all or is Arch too ingrained for this amount of deviation?
  • management: Is this amount of deviation too much for CachyOS as an Arch-based distribution?

Thanks!

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While I personally would like to do this, it seems that not all users have transitioned to Wayland, due to either lack of confidence with Wayland compositors, extreme comfort with their X11 environment, or a usecase that’s not supported on Wayland. Due to that, I don’t think we can deprecate this (atleast on the installer side) anytime soon.

Majority of the packages CachyOS provides are built directly with Arch’s PKGBUILDs. Disabling X11 in the build options can only be possible when Arch disables them. While it is certainly possible for us to use our own PKGBUILDs that disable X11, there’s not much benefit in doing so other than no X11 support.

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Thanks. You may now lock this post :wave:

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Remove the thread is more like it. Telling peeps they’re not allowed to give feedback, TACKY.

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it is not worth responding to such a user – never

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As people seem aggravated by the question of strategic roadmap, I’m fine with removing this thread.

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The longer I think about it, the less I understand the responses.

So to clarify: No, I am NOT interested in “everybodys opinion” on that matter. Not in the slightest. That’s the whole point of this post. As stated in the OP itself.

I am asking project lead what their roadmap regarding X11 future is.

This has been answered.

The post can be closed, because the question has been answered.
The post can be removed if it incites people, I just still don’t understand the feelings.
The post can be left open because it’s no harm, but what for?

Edit #2: Maybe this is just me being out of touch today. So if you feel emotional in any way regarding this thread, please explain your resonings to me so I can better understand what’s going on here. Really at a loss here. Thanks.

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Really the only animosity is pompously saying don’t comment.
Otherwise, yes this is going to happen. Not today, but I bet X11 will be seriously deprecated by 2026.

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You can also send private inquiries via email.

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  1. They are not in the stated list of recipients (“This is just a question to the distirbution maintainers / planners”)
  2. They are additionally asked to not start a discussion or offer their opinions (which is actually unnecessary as they are still not the ones asked, see point 1) , to not dilute the thread (as it happens now and because of them)

What is happening is exactly what I did not want to happen so I added it to the OP so it shall not happen but it happens now because I wrote it in the OP? Whut?

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True but I do not know them by user name and time schedule so I opted for an open question.

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Yeah… I’ll just lock this. I left it open in case people want to discuss but it seems like that’s not happening.

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