Can I just vent/rant

Yikes! The pettiness in that forum post is absurd; I couldn’t believe that happened just yesterday! If this happens so frequently, I really feel for you guys. I always get second-hand embarrassment reading posts like that on other forums :joy:. I wasn’t sure what happened with Selarian’s post, anybody can just spam-report a comment they don’t like and it gets automatically terminated? :grimacing:

Thanks for continuing to provide resources and making that helpful start here guide amidst all the craziness and expectations of some users. I hope someday I can learn to help out too once I get my own system under control.

Yeah I guess, people who do or act on stupid things, don’t like to be called out. Wild.

Don’t act like a fucking robot, and then I wouldn’t call you a robot?

If you learn to use a search function, and use your head, I wouldn’t be calling you fucking stupid now would I?

That’s the issue. Nope, let’s report Sel, for cussing about you being fucking stupid.

This is logical today, not even just online, this is how I feel like 90% of my fellow humans are/act. People have always been lazy right? Now we seem to be leaning more towards lazy/DUMB. Which is the alarming part to me.

While decidedly lacking a civil tone, it does seem you have adequately described the vast majority of people these days (note: I’m an old fart at retirement age).
I will add the rider that (again today) people are unable to bear harsh truths.

Hey man, I am rounding 40, I grew up around technology. I love technology. You know what else I seem to still have? A functioning brain. I may come off brash at times, because that’s how I talk or type, but for fucks sakes, I know I’m not crazy.

I won’t stump for ALL of our generation, but I feel those around this age have the unique perspective of growing up during the tech/internet revolution, and living now in what’s come next while still remembering what it was like before all this stuff was considered “essential”.

Foldable road maps, library catalog systems to find books, using phones and mail (the paper kind) to communicate with people, not trusting everything we saw on TV or read in a newspaper (who remembers those?), and so on.

I love technology. I’m sitting here in front of a 48" 32:9 curved screen, typing on a split ergo programmable keyboard with easily-replaceable switches, have an e-ink tablet that I take notes on for meetings, two phones with NFC charging, a host of laptops, tablets—even my guitar amp has hot-swapping boards in it to balance current to the power tubes giving me unparalleled range of tones. All my creative work syncs to a NAS from which I also run a media server I can access anywhere. Tech is awesome.

But I am no sucker. I didn’t buy into the crypto hype. I didn’t buy into the metaverse. I laughed at (and was laughed at about—at least at first) NFT nonsense. “AI”, more specifically LLMs, are the next hype cycle for suckers, except this time the grifters lucked out like never before—their best marks are billionaires and business leaders who don’t want to experience the FOMO of being the one to avoid the bandwagon, no matter the cost. Neural networks and machine learning are interesting tech, but these hyped applications of that tech are, to me, extremely lackluster and dressed up like the Emperor wearing his New Clothes. I’m not afraid to point and say that he’s stark naked, despite the masses’ hostile reaction to the bursting of their figurative and financial bubble. I’ve said nothing so far of the ethical or environmental impacts, but the fiscal failure sidesteps any dubious moral perspectives with cold hard numbers, and numbers which are very big, and very red.

Most of all, I’m ever so increasingly frustrated by the masses insisting that this tech is inevitable, that it must be used, that it must become daily life, even as we remember getting by just fine in the years prior to its marketing explosion. We didn’t die of tech asphyxiation then, and we won’t now, except by choice. The costs are high, and the value is middling. No large company has come out and said “wow we let AI run the show and it generated this amazing new product that everyone loves!” or “AI saved us billions!” At best, corporations are uneasily watching and waiting, on the bandwagon but not driving it. They’re selling the public the idea of LLMs being important, because LLMs are not self-evidentially important. This is not Steve Jobs holding up an iPhone and the world realizing holy shit phones will never be the same again. That product has plenty of marketing behind it, but the marketing is just fashion accessory fare for the most part. They sell you on why you want to buy the newest model, but they don’t need to sell you on why you want to buy a smartphone in the first place. LLMs are being marketed on the basis of trying to make a desperate case, at a ledger loss that would and should make corporations bleed out, in hopes of addicting a critical mass of users before they finally sigh in relief and hit the public with the brick reality check of profitable pricing models. Actually, that might not even be possible, because OpenAI and Anthropic tried that earlier this year and it blew up in their faces.

Too, there is the element of centralized control of information. The more that users trust and rely on these tools, the more their owners can shape and steer the zeitgeist as has been shown by myriad papers on social media algorithm practices. Politically, ideologically, and socially, these few seek to control the distribution of information to shape the future more favorably for their own interests. A public whose primary source of information is devoid of reference to perceived-negative political views would have a difficult time organizing a concerted opposition against a controlling narrative, especially when a wide swath of the media reporting on AI simply parrot whatever the startups tell them, with no facts checked, no numbers added up, and all in the future tense. They want to sell us today, with today’s money, what AI will do, what it will mean, and what it might become tomorrow. It’s the kind of vaporware that buyers of the past would decry as snake oil and run out of town. But generations have changed, and I am not speaking ill of young people. Elders are mystified by tech indistinguishable from magic as well, even when the magic is poorly done and prone to hallucinated errors.

Tech must work for me, or it’s not useful. As Cory Doctorow said, ask: whose benefit is it for? I’m not subscribing to my screwdriver and socket wrench. I’m not letting an app tell me how to organize my day or how to think. Critical thinking skills are in rare supply.

A long rant/vent, but given the thread title, I thought I’d get out the soap box as in the days of old and throw down a few more words than in prior posts.

TLDR I’m a hater. I’m a hater of the marketing, and disappointed in the way that the media is complicit, and disappointed in all the people cosplaying as Faust. It’s not even Halloween.

Some people are just too old for this - they might be 30 years old.

Others have at it well into their 80s.

Maybe some of us older folks missed something. My younger sister came home with an Essay from school, the spelling was awful and the grammar wasn’t too good either… but she got a B+

I was shocked, the errors were mostly unmarked and uncriticised… so people grow up expecting not to have such things pointed out to them.

I read books, which did more to help me with grammar and writing styles than anything else. People now expect books to be fed to them on a drip…

Hands up if you READ Lord of the Rings.
Hands down if you only WATCHED it.
Hands down if you Watched before you Read it.

There - thought so :wink:

Yeah, this too.

I read Tolkien, Dickens, and Melville at age 12. There was no “YA” section in the library or book store then. You grew out of kids books, you’d go find adult ones that interest you. I never stopped reading either, and eventually also became a writer.

Instead of “italian brainrot” and “backrooms”, my social points of reference align more with Borges, Eco, and LeGuin

Never tell people to Google it. That only makes things worse. :duck:

…Because Google has been destroyec by Gemini.

Y’know, in the past couple years I’ve actually taken that as a personal crusade. I tell people “search for it” because I refuse to conflate a Google endorsement with finding information freely on the internet. It’s a small rebellion, but it’s one of the ways I’m pushing back.

It’s not that small :wink: My son’s teacher had a lot of headaches in his computer class (Thai school) where EVERYTHING is Google.

When he got homework, we compared tools and used others where they were available - and when his teacher criticised him for not doing what he was told, I went to school with him to have it out in the office.

You’ll also notice that in the world of Search, Google is being chased now by a growing number of serious competitors, doing their own indexing…

DDG started using Yahoo, but now they’ve diversified and do some of their own indexing - as does Brave… and they’re big threats.

You and me both.