Can I just vent/rant

I know how this sounds, but I don’t know how to make it sound less of a rant. However, that describes my gut-feeling that so many of these people don’t belong here. To me, barebones distros like Gentoo and Arch are only for people that have a learning mindset.
If they want an appliance, they need to go somewhere else.

We do this in another forum, sometimes ask people to consider whether (arch-based) the distribution is a good fit for them.

Aiming at noobs means helping somewhat with parsing the Arch Wiki, giving more help than a vanilla Arch user might be expected to get, but with a limit.

Satire should be labelled, my mistake.

Have you ever been to Bielefeld?

Edit: Bielefeld conspiracy - Wikipedia

There’s probably 1001 definitions of what that could mean, but I’d disagree with most of them.

I would recommend CachyOS to anyone who is motivated to learn and occasionally roll their sleeves up. The advantages of a rolling distro far outweigh the disadvantages - provided the user is prepared to RTFM once in a while.

In other words, you don’t need to be some l33t h4ck3r to use it. I’m living proof of that. :slight_smile:

Thanks for that quote! There we go, proves my point even further.

I’m just a bit bored of the Gen X vs Z vs Whatever. Although, the Boomers have got a lot to answer for!! But that’s a debate for a different forum…

I, a (rebellious in my youth) baby boomer, thought that subsequent generations knew better and would do things better than our parents. Now I’m stripped of all illusions.

Um, thanks for a) the sexual revolution and b) Jimi Hendrix :laughing:

Actually I find CachyOS very simple and straightforward since it does by default everything I used to do manually on Arch.

Anyway, regarding the helping issue, I agree that it can get frustrating real quick.

I have a better experience now that I make sure everyone’s expectations is on the same page : I clearly state upfront to the people asking for help that I will help them get better at finding their answers themselves.

Some are fine with that. Most tell me they just want the things done and go ask someone else that will happily comply.

It spares everyone some frustration.

So would I, but the point I was making is that many of these people _don’t_ want to roll their sleeves up. In other words, they want a consumer product, which for most people means something that you take to other people to fix when it breaks.

Building a “why” layer on top of the “how” layer that is the Arch Wiki sounds like a good idea to me.

Any plans ?

a) It was a pleasure. b) You have us to thank for Krautrock.

Oh, thanks to severe ADHD I have thousands of plans, and someday I may even finish one of them :rofl:

I have to admit this plan does not look like a small endeavor. I would not lead it myself. But yet, I’d be curious to see it happen.

That’s a heck of a hook to start a post with.

The thing is, I’ve been through this myself… computer wouldn’t boot and I had to spend a few minutes getting logged in on my tablet, Linux Mint forum quite a while back.

So I got in to the forum, gave as much information (I’d written down as many relevant error details etc on paper) as I could, and ended up with one regular member of the forum who could guide me specifically to my circumstances - blow by blow - to get through the process.

In the end, he thanked ME for being responsive, because he gets a kick out of solving folks problems.

So being ignorant of the facts and unable to manage yourself isn’t going to wind people up, and you’ll elicit a great deal of patience and determination to fix your issues.

So patience is a virtue, but you can’t fix stupid :stuck_out_tongue:

Gen X (Generation Golf) here, we do better :stuck_out_tongue:

I feel that one hundred percent, Selarian, and back you up on every word, completely stone-cold sober. This deep disenchantment with the current state of discussion is totally relatable, even though we’re living in an era where Linux is technically more brilliant and accessible than ever before.

It’s actually wild how far we’ve come since the old xfree86 days, but that very success naturally brings a new dynamic. While every single step used to be a hard-earned lesson, we now enjoy systems that handle almost everything out-of-the-box—which was, ironically, the ultimate goal of our early tinkering years. The flip side of that progress is that the old-school hacker spirit sometimes gets drowned out by the noise of casual users and bots. But that’s exactly why people like you, who still know how the system “breathes” and share genuine expertise, are more valuable to the community than ever to keep that core alive amidst all the modern convenience. You’re definitely not alone in seeing it this way.

what did that shitty video have to do with anything?

I’d like to see your sources for “most people”, but if that’s how you define “consumer” then fair enough - CachyOS is not for them.

I’m just not a fan of this distro being presented as some kind of Sup3r L33t H4ack3rz OS, which I’ve seen a few times. The more people onboard, the better - even if they need some guidance on how to help themselves. :slight_smile:

Most people that came from Windows, didn’t know how to use Windows either.

True, and yet that’s a selection of people MORE likely to know how to use Windows than the average windows user - i.e. they know enough to be able to identify and try an alternative.